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Results Of Vote On Decency Standards

Do you have an obligation to your children to bring decency standards into their lives?  Do you think the government should be investigating and prosecuting the porn industry, or levy fines on indecency on the radio or TV? What is the obligation of what part of society to create or impose "decency standards?"  What are they?

 

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Name: katherine
email: verybaddkitty@hotmail.com
Vote: I would rather comment than vote.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2004
Time: 11:36:36 PM

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My Comments Are: thruought history, as society developed, poeple pressured their children to conform to the rules and norms of the society they inhabited, nowadays, this is quite the opposite for many people, we tell our children to beware of society, not to conform to the standard society has, but to rise above it. Not to be brought down by society. When we speak of decency, and who is responsible for controlling it, we are responsible for veiwing what we please, what suits our tastes and morals, but the fact that there is so much indecent material open for veiwing, is to me, disturbing. I personaly have always found porn to be disgusting and think those involved should be profoundly ashamed of themselves for creating such trash, however If I chose to not veiw it then I dont have to. I do wish that there was not so much violence on tv, it is not really contributing to anyones self actualization, nor assisting people to find any sort of inner peace. As for the sexuality portrayed on tv..I find it only takes away from the mystery and miraculaous self discovery that young men and women could be discovering on their own, without trying to measure up to the standards they are already accustomed to by having it shone thru their eyes via watching prime time tv at home. As for free speech on the radio, or news broadcasts, most people who are "decent" would not take advantage of their privellege of being heard by a broad addience, they may have something useful and enlightening to say, but unfortunatly, there are some people who would prefer to use free speech as a weapon, to offend people for giggles. Therefore, In my opinion, although many would say it is a step backwards, I feel there should be more control in what gets broadcasted, produced, aired, and generaly put out for public opinion. As for who should control it, or those that say..how would they decide which material is decent and which is offencive or inappropriate? well, come on, its called common sense and decency, didnt your parents teach you anything?

Name: Paul
email:
Vote: The government, and churches, should stay out of this area.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Monday, August 02, 2004
Time: 07:31:20 AM

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My Comments Are:

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Dear Paul,

Thanks for your vote.

Karl Loren

Name: Harrison Stone
email: Stone@dvol.com
Vote: I would rather comment than vote.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Monday, August 02, 2004
Time: 07:14:32 AM

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My Comments Are:

First: Again, I do not like the "pre-selection" of a choice - which probably reflects the poll originator's preference.

Second: The "definition" established by a "moderate majority" can, and should, be established by the operation of "free market" economics.

Governmental control depends upon the "interpretation" applied by the current incumbent. On the other hand, advertisers will not provide major funding for any media which become massively unpopular. Letters to advertisers stating displeasure - followed by product boycott - become a far more potent "regulatory" technique - and far safer in term of our liberties.

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Dear Harrison,

Thanks for the vote and comment.

Karl Loren

Name: Jean W
email: triana@wi.rr.com
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Monday, August 02, 2004
Time: 01:31:32 AM

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Dear Jean,

Thanks for your vote.

Karl Loren

 

Name: Louie Boland
email: louie@ ontarioeast.net
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Monday, July 05, 2004
Time: 12:39:36 PM

Comments

My Comments Are:

I have or should have the right not to be nauseated by the humor of some sick character who seems to think he has to shock people in order to be listened to.

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Dear Louie,

Thanks for your vote.

Karl Loren

 

Name: Kathy O.
email:
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004
Time: 07:57:12 PM

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My Comments Are:

Dear Kathy,

Thanks for your vote.

Karl Loren

 

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Name: Ignacio Catano
email: ignaciocatano@hotmail.com
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004
Time: 08:37:59 AM

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My Comments Are:

Dear Ignacio,

Thanks for the vote.

Karl Loren

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Name: bryan dutra
email: dutravich@outdrs.net
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
Time: 07:23:06 PM

Comments

My Comments Are:

Thanks, Bryan, for your vote.

Karl Loren

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Name: Louis L. Raef
email:
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
Time: 01:43:15 PM

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Name: JC Black
email: keysjblack@netscape.net
Vote: The government, and churches, should stay out of this area.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2004
Time: 03:17:35 PM

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My Comments Are:

Dear JC,

Thanks for voting.

Karl

Name: Gary
email: garylee@iowatelecom.net
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Sunday, June 13, 2004
Time: 01:02:03 AM

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My Comments Are:

Dear Gary,

Thanks for voting.

Karl Loren

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Name: L.M.H.
email:
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Friday, June 11, 2004
Time: 07:54:52 AM

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My Comments Are:

Dear LMH,

Thanks for voting.

Karl Loren

Name: gay
email:
Vote: The government, and churches, should stay out of this area.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 03:30:36 PM

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Name: Stephen E Jeffrey
email: stephen.e.jeffrey@us.army.mil
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 09:21:39 AM

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Name: Robert Potts
email: rpotts@greenapple.com
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and . Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Saturday, June 05, 2004
Time: 02:54:45 PM

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My Comments Are:

Dear Robert,

Thanks for voting.

Karl

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Name: Sandy Aronds
email: sanmo911@sbcglobal.net
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Thursday, June 03, 2004
Time: 01:00:04 PM

Comments

My Comments Are:

Dear Sandy,

Well?  What do you suggest they do?

Karl

 

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Name: Lauren
email: NickLauren27@aol.com
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 10:53:11 PM

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My Comments Are:

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Dear Lauren.

Thanks for posting.

How could the government do this?

Karl Loren,

 

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Name: Seawolf
email:
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 09:21:26 PM

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My Comments Are:

Thanks, Seawolf.

Karl

 

Name: Don Riegel
email: dwriegel@cox.net
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 09:13:11 PM

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My Comments Are:

Dear Don,

Thanks for posting your vote.

What SHOULD the government do?

Karl Loren

 

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Name: dominic
email: karlorenvote@dominicgill.com
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 04:03:06 PM

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My Comments Are:

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Dear Dominic,

Like others who vote as you have, I ask the simple question, "what can the government do?"

You might want to take the time to read other comments, if you wish.

Thanks for participating.

Karl Loren

 

Name: ROBERT EHRMAN
email: mrrcesr@aol.com
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 03:47:08 PM

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My Comments Are:

Dear Robert,

Rather unusual to see comments on YOUR comment in just minutes!

That won't continue, but for now I do it.

So, "how" would you suggest the governement do this?

Karl

 

Name: Vincent
email: vjlowe@paradise.net.nz
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 03:31:02 PM

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My Comments Are:

In Reply to Rich and others like him they seem to be missing the point.

Once you take church out of the equation you will automatically get an erosion of living standards and morality. This is exactly what is happening to America right now and will only get worse unless the church and the Ten Commandments are brought back into your constitution to allow the freedom of religion.

The UCLA have a lot to answer for here as they are doing there level best to prohibit ones freedom to pray and to worship the way they wish.

They do not seem to have any problem though with other religions such as Muslims and Mormons etc. so why attack the Christian religion. What have they to be afraid of here??

Do they fear that if the Christian religion is allowed that God will somehow strike them down??

It is all very confusing as to why the UCLA would want to bother to stand in the way of allowing Christian religion in schools etc. when they have no problem with the other so called religions.

Finally I would just like to add that no one should be forced to follow any religion but why not encourage the freedom to worship the Christian religion if that is what the individual wants instead of trying to block his/her freedom to do so which seems to be happening in your great country.

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Thank you for allowing me to have my say.

Dear Vincent,

Thanks for "having your say."

Vincent, do you think it is possible to have a useful moral code that would be acceptable to all religions?

Certainly any "moral code" which describes "God" in any special way would probably NOT be acceptable to any religion whose beliefs about God differed from the description in a moral code?

Incidentally, I had not planned to be so much involved with postings here, but I want to "set the simple rule" now, that all postings must be polite and follow my own moral code which includes, "Respect the religious beliefs of others."

Note that my code does NOT say "respect the religious practices of others."

A "belief" does not offend, but a practice may.

Karl Loren

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Name: Sylvia Ion
email: classconscious@comcast.net
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 09:38:18 AM

Comments

My Comments Are:

Dear Sylvia,

Thanks for the comment.

Do you have any suggestions for how the government might do this?

Do you have a comment on the question, "What role does the individual in society have to 'improve' decency standards?"

 

Karl Loren

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Name: Donald Stillman
email: dstillman@erols.com
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 09:24:28 AM

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My Comments Are:

Dear Donald,

Well, what should they do?

Karl Loren

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Name: Bernard King
email: bernard.king@sympatico.ca
Vote: The government, and churches, should stay out of this area.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 06:27:41 AM

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My Comments Are:

500 channels and nothing on... Are we too lazy to change the station.

The highest rating for replaying an event was the Janet Jackson fiasco - as any good government does is to protect us from ourselves - they know better - the days of serfdom should be coming to an end.

Dear Bernard,

I like the passion in your comment, but there is a final conclusion which is missing? or not clear?

You are right, the "public" seems to want indecency.  I suppose you are saying that because this is true the government can never be effective in changing what the public wants?

I suspect that is true.

If "serfdom" is coming to an end does that mean anarchy?  NO controls by the government?  No standards of decency other than what each individual decides and which any group arrives at only through individuals, not some sort of enforced group agreement?

If you mean the later, then how about this?  Are YOUR standards "down" at the level of Janet Jackson?  Or, are your standards different?

Do you think those whose standards are at the "Janet Jackson" level would survive better if they, individual, had higher standards?  Presumably without force or government control?

If you'd care to post your comments, I'll move them to be located in this same section.

Hope you can respond.

Karl Loren

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New Message From Bernard:

Dear Karl,

You are right, the "public" seems to want indecency.  I suppose you are saying that because this is true the government can never be effective in changing what the public wants?

Indecency is in the eye and the mind of the beholder - what is art vs. pornographic material? Times change and thinking changes - erotic Indian Art - erotic Italian Frescoes, or pornography? Nudity and the "F" word were not allowed on TV - TV could not show a married couple in the same bed - but times change. The pendulum swings too far and then "society" pulls it back (usually the vocal minority) - the sad part is we tend to pull it back the other way - overreacting. Then the cycle starts again...

 

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 If "serfdom" is coming to an end does that mean anarchy?  NO controls by the government?  No standards of decency other than what each individual decides and which any group arrives at only through individuals, not some sort of enforced group agreement?

 
Serfdom - the them and us mentality was beneficial in 1066AD. Was the church right in the Crusades? We are a little more tolerant in some parts of the world now, in others we are working through it. Today each individual does decide what standard of decency they wish to abide by - give the shopkeeper back the extra change they gave you - help an older person across the street - don't take pen and paper from the office - recycle - murder and rape - we can do anything we want as long as we are willing to endure the consequences of our actions. The less we need external validation, the less governing we as individuals need to keep us "in line". Rules were set up originally by great thinkers - the problem arises when we cast in concrete something that was said or written thousands of years ago and still hold that that as true today. "Don't eat pork" - in the hot weather pork turns bad very fast and one gets sick - we invent refrigeration - is eating pork still bad? Eat fish on Fridays dictates the Pope - how else can I get the vitamins and minerals I need, when I can't read or write?
 
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If you mean the later, then how about this?  Are YOUR standards "down" at the level of Janet Jackson?  Or, are your standards different?

 
Janet Jackson is an entertainer, so is Madonna - like it or not sex sells, and in this part of the world very controversial. Israel can't see the problem with males and females serving on the front line together and having sex - "what is the problem America". In the beginning Europeans emigrated to America to get away from the oppression.
 

Do you think those whose standards are at the "Janet Jackson" level would survive better if they, individual, had higher standards?  Presumably without force or government control?

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"Survive better" - interesting choice of words. Janet Jackson was hoping to sell more records and make more money - it backfired.  Titillation can not replace talent. Without the press the incident would have been forgotten and her records still would not have sold.  Some time ago the earth was flat and to verbalize that is was round was blasphemy, resulting in death. Our God is the only God. 

I did not see the incident and I have not searched for the replay on the internet.

I live by the following "Living Philosophy" 

I am the result of me.

 

I am more; I am never less.

 

I discover newness about me

each and every day.

 

I act because inaction is decay.

 

I speak because the words need to be said.

 

I am the right person.

 

I have no enemies; I have only friends

I have yet to meet. 

I have no masters but myself.

 

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Just a few rambling thoughts...

 

Bernie King

Name: Dee
email: DTroll@cboss.com
Vote: The government, and churches, should stay out of this area.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004
Time: 12:42:49 AM

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My Comments Are:

Pornography? HAH, that's not the problem in our society as much as pure violence, torture, hatred, rape, and chainsaw massacres, that are shown on TV and movies.

 As long as it's consenting adults (NO children) it's up to the individual or to listen to whatever garbage they chose, not that I necessarily want it but I certainly 'DON'T' want to put it in the hands of the government and want that freedom of choice.

We've enough government interference in our lives as it is and unfortunately in today's clime will only get worse!!

Also by who's definition is pornography?? It's all relative. Janet Jackson's 'tit' sure didn't offend me, or please me, it was simply a stupid publicity ploy.

Dear Dee,

Thanks for the comment. I tend to agree with you, but I suspect you leave unanswered the larger question.

How does "society" change?  Is some change necessary?

If we agree that the "garbage" is "garbage" would it be of value to society if this would change -- presuming that it is NOT the government that forces a change?

Would you not think, with me, that each individual must come to his own realization about "what is garbage, and why it is not worth viewing?"  If so, leaving out group force (whether the government or even the family?), how does society change other than one individual at a time?

How do YOU "help" one individual change without your being a "government?"

I think there is a way.

Karl Loren

 

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Name: Harry
email: we_towners@cox.net
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Friday, May 28, 2004
Time: 10:34:31 AM

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My Comments Are: Every family finds that it's members must sometimes give up freedoms for the benefit of the whole group.

America is a "family" in some sense, also, and, similarly, must consider the well-being of all of it's members. Loss of the freedom to be immoral is not on a par with loss of the freedom to be moral.

Laws and governmental policies are made for the common good of all members of the nation.

Personal & corporate immorality "benefits" only the individuals participating, while the national consequences of permitting that immorality have been & will be catastrophic for the whole nation.

Dear Harry,

Well Written!

I agree with you, but want to point a tiny finger at one piece of "logic?"

You wrote

Loss of the freedom to be immoral is not on a par with loss of the freedom to be moral.

Does this not imply that the person who is exercising his "freedom to be immoral" is causing the loss of freedom of another to BE moral?

I think a person can be moral even in the face of immorality.

But, there is a finer point here -- I often call it the "contagion of aberration" -- a phrase used to mean that one rotten apple in the barrel can cause all to become rotten.  But, apples don't have much self-will, whereas people do.  So, many can and do become aberrated because of the aberrations of others, but not all succumb to that situation.

Do you think something can be done about this?

But, I like your drift!

Karl Loren

 

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Name: Vincent
email: vjlowe@paradise.net.nz
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn. Only the government can do this and it should.
Question: Page 2 -- Decency Standards?
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Date: Thursday, May 27, 2004
Time: 05:00:07 PM

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My Comments Are: Whilst I do not live in USA we are faced with exactly the same situation as anywhere else in the world.

Also I wish to commend you Karl for bringing this matter to the attention of your readers and want you to know that I support you 100% in your endeavors to try and make the world a better place to live in.

Having said that however this will never happen until Our Lord Jesus Christ returns for the second time and until the millennial reign after which all unbelievers will have an opportunity to either accept or reject Our Lord who is the creator of our universe and everything in it.

Dear Vincent,

Thanks for the comment.

I respect your views on the millennium.  But, I wonder . . .

If there is no hope without Jesus Christ, what reason is there for doing good "in the mean time?"

I have written elsewhere that, "Man has a spiritual side, and a material side.  It seems to me that morality, or behavior, is the physical manifestation of inner values.

Those good values seem to be lacking all over the planet, not so?  At least we do not see much good behavior -- and must assume the inner values are not very good.

I know that "good behavior" exists -- so have to assume that there are some good inner values there.  The good behavior can be based on a common sense moral code that does not depend on spiritual insights to exist, I believe.

So, I encourage people to "do good deeds" and "behave according to the common sense moral code" and think that all people can do this without all agreeing on the same set of "spiritual values."

This web site is here to allow people to demonstrate their inner values -- and if most of them choose to also behave according to those good values, that is an accomplishment I can be pleased with.

Karl

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Name: Harrison Stone
email: stone@dvol.com
Vote: The government, and churches, should stay out of this area.
Question: Page 2
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Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2004
Time: 05:48:36 PM

Comments

My Comments Are: The minute religion which includes "moral standards" becomes a government function, kiss freedom of speech, thought, etc. good-bye. See Thomas Jefferson's writings, inter alia.

Dear Harrison,

Do you think it would be possible to come up with a "non-religious" moral code that could speak to this issue, either in favor of restrictions or opposed?  I write of a "non religious moral code" based on common sense, not some religious authority.

Karl Loren

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Name:
email:
Vote: I would rather comment than vote.
Question: Page 2
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Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2004
Time: 03:27:11 PM

Comments

My Comments Are:

I believe the First Amendment refers to the right of free speech for the citizens to challenge the government and the politicians without fear of recrimination by the government or its regulators.

It does not give one the right to be vulgar and spew forth obscenities. The bill of rights are there to protect the citizens and to limit the power of government.

Likewise we have the right to bear arms for defense from government and poachers.

We do not have the right to use them illegally.  We have blurred right and wrong, good and bad. With there being no more right or wrong how will our young people be able to determine what is acceptable behavior.

I believe we need to teach the 3-Rs in school. Responsibility, Respect and Rights of Others. Unfortunately many children don't receive instruction in manners, respect and the social graces any longer. When people become higher toned they will reject the lower toned trash that is foisted on us as freedom of speech and art.

Dear Writer,

It is OK to not include your name or address -- but I hope you will return here, one day, to see your own comment published, and my thanks for a thoughtful comment at that.

Karl Loren

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Name: Steve Harris
email: swh5
Vote: I would rather comment than vote.
Question: Page 2
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Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2004
Time: 07:04:27 PM

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My Comments Are: Two choices? I see only one. They both say the same thing. I am sick and tired of having my ears assaulted by the low-life potty mouths and sleaze forced in front of my face whether I want it or not. The perpetrators always whine about restrictions when they refuse to keep their offensive behavior to those who want it. The time has come for decency to reestablish itself in our culture.

Dear Karl,

Comment:

Other great thinkers have recognized the relationship between human virtue and a successful society, also.  Pulitzer Prize winning philosopher, writer and historian, Will Durant, wrote that:

·       "... the control of impulse -- is the first principle of civilization."

·       "... civilization is not something inborn or imperishable; it must be acquired anew by every generation. Man differs from the beast only by education, which may be defined as the technique of transmitting civilization."

·       "Four elements constitute civilization:

1.    Economic provision;

2.    Political organization;

3.    The pursuit of knowledge and the arts; and ...

4.    Moral traditions." (emphasis added)

·       And he said, "The disappearance of these conditions -- sometimes of even one of them -- may destroy a civilization. Through church, or family, or school, or otherwise, there must be a unifying moral code."

From: Dennis Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:10 AM
To:

Subject: RE: New Concept

Hi Karl,

I have an opinion on the subject of government regulation. I think there should be enforceable decency standards.

But I think there should also be rewards (tax breaks or otherwise) for films, shows, etc. that meet certain standards, e.g. a G-rated film would have significant rewards versus an R-rated film, etc. This could apply to video games, etc. Media that forwards VALUES should be rewarded and thus you don’t just have punishment, you have rewards and penalties working together.

Best,

Dennis

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Name: William marcks
email: wmarcks1
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn.
Question: Page 2
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Date: Sunday, May 23, 2004
Time: 12:10:47 PM

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Name: bob ess
email: bobs@hyp

Vote: I would rather comment than vote.
Question: Page 2
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Date: Saturday, May 22, 2004
Time: 08:52:47 AM

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My Comments Are: turn em off, whatever it takes..im appalled at the garbage people send into my home, unasked for...there must be a standard that can be enforced and I wont have to shield my eyes, computer and mind...go for it...

Name:
email:
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn.
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Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
Time: 02:42:14 PM

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Name: Dr. Cody
email: drcody@s
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn.
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Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
Time: 01:07:35 PM

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Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn.
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Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
Time: 10:13:10 AM

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Name: Joe D. Holland
email: jdholla
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn.
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Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
Time: 08:37:34 AM

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Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn.
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Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
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Name: Mark
email: anythi
Vote: I would rather comment than vote.
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Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
Time: 05:20:56 AM

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My Comments Are: Most of the producers of porn , in my opinion, are persons whom cannot do what I do. Or maybe what you have done Karl. We have brought good to our fellow man. I am a builder. I climb, crawl, sand wood, place foundations etc. "They" are not able to even plant a garden to earn a living. Well maybe they could do that. But when a fellow human being can or wills to produce most of the crap we see on occasion and it does no good for the common man, except for those whom are uncommon? use it, and most certainly they do {why else would the look or listen?}, they end up creating a class of people whom enjoy porn. These persons probably never will help society grow to the place where it could be. I do not believe the government should step in except where the perps have used non consenting adults, or animals.  And or have put this "porn" where under age persons have access to it. blah blah blah

Oh, I definitely agree that all of us have a tendency to "sin."  The moral rebirth has to start somewhere. And it must start in the individual subverting his urge. {We have a great desire to procreate}
I read a book once by a famous writer, maybe it was Think and Grow Rich?. He said that we needed to take that sexual energy and learn to use that energy elsewhere..
And the porn phone companies {They all handle porn} help them out and cash in on it too. Buy doing their billing for them} Maybe more of us, when writing checks to Verizon, etc. could post them like I do, THE PORN PHONE CO.{ they don't seem to care as I have been posting them like that for five years!!}
The porn Guy or gal  is weak also. He or she cannot swing a hammer so they swing their hips etc!

 

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Name: Nancy Mulduhn
email: muldu

Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn.
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Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004
Time: 10:07:19 PM

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Hello Karl,

I agree that the indecency issue is best controlled individually or by parents on behalf of their children.  I am also convinced that there must be SOME sort of line drawn for the extremes of pornography which are essentially harmful to most everyone including children.  I understand its a difficult question and if I wasn't of the belief that the majority of people are too ignorant to make safe or sane choices I would of course rather depend on each persons individual integrity, decency, honesty, good judgment, etc. etc.  Certainly I don't believe in majority rule as there has to be room for behavior not approved by the majority...again, the majority are often a majority of ignorant people living in illusion.  Sorry I don't know what can be done that would be done correctly and fairly other than parents inculcating good values in their children.  I think chaos is probably a normal state and I'm a bit tired of trying to figure out what would be good for others to do in order to keep our civilization safe and evolving in a positive direction.  I'm just thankful I was able to raise two wonderful children who are decent, loving, intelligent, courageous and have only had a few instances of ill judgment that were more than minor lapses.  Perhaps they will contribute to the positive evolution of mankind instead of being part of the group which are adding to the negativity and counter-survivability of the species.  The battle between good and evil is alive and well.  One will probably never totally prevail over the other and the balancing act will go on ad infinitum on planet earth unless we manage to make a BIG mistake and a majority die.  I suppose mankind would rebuild even from a worldwide disaster since balance/order usually returns after chaos gets the upper hand for a time.

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I find your views and the ways you express them to be very interesting and intelligent.  I especially agree with what I've read of your views on the terrorist threat to civilization.  Having a husband (my present one of 9 years) who was an International counter-terrorism/counter-intelligence expert/operative and worked all over the world for different governments definitely helped me to lose most of my naive illusions about the world and how governments work in many areas.  Of course I agree with you that terrorists are not deserving of any civil rights.  Unfortunately bleeding heart liberals don't seem to understand the threat that terrorism presents in our day and age.  Perhaps they will prevail in the short term, especially if Kerry becomes President, and the threat will increase before the voice of reason comes to the fore again.  The thicker the skull, the harsher is the lesson needed.

I'm very happy that I took another look at your Super Life Glow.  I'm looking forward to using it when I receive it next week or thereabouts.  I am 57 and have had a couple of angina attacks in the last month for which I did not go to a doctor as I try to avoid them unless it's a REAL emergency.  I did immediately quit coffee, milk products, eggs, meat, etc.  started drinking 12-16 glasses of home-distilled water daily, carrot juice, eating mostly raw foods and generally getting back to health practices that I've neglected for many years.  I had several intravenous chelation treatments about 10 years ago, though I had no symptoms of anything that were noticeably improved.  I was mainly going to accompany my former husband who was trying to recuperate from a stroke.  Unfortunately he died shortly thereafter from another stroke.  I was very intrigued by the potential of chelation therapy and read quite a bit about it, but I must admit I do not like needles so the intravenous aspect did not please my mind at all.  It's nice that oral chelation seems to be as effective presently.

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Thanks for emailing me and again I would like to express my admiration for the immense amount of work and research you have done and for sharing it on your websites.  When I first ran across your website and saw that you had some political views, my first thought was "here's another airhead hippie type who wants to be friends with the terrorists, thinks they can be reasoned with, and thinks we should all just hold hands, sing kumbaya and live in peace an harmony!" Much to my delight yours was a voice of reason and truth.  I had mistakenly categorized you in with the majority of alternative health types I've met who seem to be mostly afflicted with head-in-the-sand syndrome when it comes to logic.  My mistake!

I thoroughly enjoy your writing style and admire you for the passion with which you approach your work!!

Sincerely,

Nancy

Hi Karl,

Sure I guess you could post any of my comments you wish to, though I would appreciate you leaving my last name off and just use my first name.

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My 24 year old son is in the 82nd Airborne at Ft. Bragg, probably going to Iraq or Afghanistan on the next rotation, so I understand your comments about what your Grandson said about the Kerry supporters.  I wish your Grandson the very best and thank him for his service.  Unfortunately the Army also seems to be suffering  somewhat from the same liberal agendas that have managed to contribute to many of the societal problems we now have. 

I spoke with a female soldier, a friend of my sons, at great length a few times.  She is quite intelligent and says that because of women demanding equal rights in the military there are some very difficult situations in certain areas.  For example a woman can bring charges against anyone whom she feels has sexually harassed her, men could do this also - theoretically, but more commonly a man might accuse someone of racial prejudice.  She tells me that unfortunately certain female soldiers use this to their advantage for manipulation purposes and that many of the men are even afraid to talk with the ladies at times!  I guess anyone with half a brain could have seen this coming long ago when women decided they needed to be EQUAL to men.  Also the Army training is much less rigorous now and discipline is not as harsh in order to accommodate women.  I always told my daughter "why would we wish to be equal to men when we now hold most of the power as it is?!!" Equality often means losing special advantages which come from our strengths as women.  Sure I don't mind women in the military but they should be segregated from the men for training and stay out of certain jobs, including combat related jobs in my opinion. 

People are not born equal no matter how much we would like to think otherwise and no matter how often liberals tell us that EVERYONE is equal and we should all be treated the same.  I get a real laugh out of that!  We are all very different in our strengths, weaknesses, afflictions, health, judgments, intelligence, motivations, spiritual awarenesses, etc.  I'm sure God gets great enjoyment watching our antics here on earth.  I know I enjoy the ongoing drama - or perhaps we could call it a comedy of errors!  Whatever it is, it's passionate and challenging.  I feel blessed to be alive at this time.

Sincerely,

Nancy  

 

 

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Name: Larry Siegel
email: bi
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn.
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Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004
Time: 09:29:00 PM

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My Comments Are:Hmmmmmmm..........this is a tough one. I do in fact believe that there should be decency standards, however I don't particularly trust our government to enforce a standard like this. I feel that they would abuse this by enforcing the standard unevenly, and would act to silence those first whose political or other beliefs are a "problem" somehow for them. If I remember correctly, the Feds (FCC) took action to knock you off the airways when you were promoting Jimmy Keller. I don't trust our government enough to give them any additional weapons to use in order to silence someone. I know that we DO need some decency standards for what can should be on the airwaves, and I would support that IF there were a citizens board or something that would protect against the government abusing their power.

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Hi Karl,

Thank You................glad you enjoyed the posting. 
And yes, I DO remember you and Jimmy Keller from your radio show.   I think back then I called and ordered some info you had on Jimmy  -  including a cassette tape with some recorded testimonials from some patients.  It was pretty impressive.      I heard your show back then maybe 10 - 15 times and enjoyed it a great deal as I've always been interested in "alternative health"  type stuff.  I particularly remember a couple of the shows you did with Dr. Mendelssohn and really loved listening to him.   He had the ability to address subjects that were very serious but yet he had you laughing at the same time.   
About 5 years ago I was wondering if you were around and had any radio shows or anything, and searched for you in a search engine, and that's when I discovered your web site. 
Anyways, I haven't had time to check out this web site of yours on morality, but intend to when I have some time............also you've got a lot of new stuff recently on free radicals and cancer and I intend to study all that .     Take care,
Larry

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Name: Dennis Meredith
email: denn
Vote: Something needs to be done about indecency and porn.
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Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004
Time: 09:08:35 PM

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Karl,

 I’ve been a big fan of yours for a couple of years now. You’re heart felt attempt to fix what ails society is a noble cause but in the main is doomed to fail not because your “moral code” is flawed. It is because of the nature of man. Philosophers have for centuries debated whether or not man was basically good or evil.

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 You are, as best that I can tell, religious. To what extent I don’t know but if you have studied and believe in the Bible the philosophical debate is settled there once and for all. Man has no ability, left to his own resources, of improving his moral nature.

 There is the story of Daniel Webster addressing a group of law makers shortly after our country was formed. He made his way to the podium carrying a sack, the contents of which were unknown to the assembled group. As he began to address the group he reached into the sack and removed a Bible. Holding it above his head for all to see he announced “This is for the man who recognizes Gods law”. He then reached into the sack and produced a copy of the constitution (or possibly it was the Magna Charta) stating “This is for the man who recognizes man's law”. He reached into the sack for a final time and produced a pair of pistols. Holding them above his head he declared “This is for the man who recognizes neither”.

 From the beginning of time there have always been those who were debauched and practiced debauchery. This is nothing new. For nearly the same amount of time mankind has tried to constrain the forces of evil with laws and regulations of all sorts. It should be apparent after these many thousands of years of failed attempts that what man needs man cannot provide for himself.

 Does this mean that we should give up? No. But I think that any hope of permanent change within a man or his society that fails to include God and his teachings is doomed to failure or at least to very limited success. Unless you change the heart you haven’t changed the man.

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 We have more than enough laws on the books to deal with the likes of pornography, corporate malfeasance and the like. What we lack is the will. Without the will to put a stop to this cancer of the soul we are doomed as a society. To that end the “writing’s on the wall”.

 The moral failings of individuals such as Bill Clinton and other less notables is a symptom of a disintegrating moral fabric within our society as a whole. But in the end people will have what they want and finally what they deserve, ‘…and He gave them over to the lusts of their heart’. The good news is that in the end goodness will prevail. But it’s going to get a lot uglier between now and then.

 Keep at it Karl you’re doing a good thing both with the morality and the physical side of things. And by the way I hope the wife is doing well with her cancer.

 You’re a good man Karl,

Denny Meredith

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Name: Rich
email: rmen
Vote: The government, and churches, should stay out of this area.
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Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004
Time: 08:55:42 PM
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I actually do believe that this is the realm of religion. I do not, however believe that government should be in the business of legislating morality. Morality is generally derived from religion, therefore it would be a violation of the 1st amendment (separation of church & state) for the government to legislate religious based morality. Besides that, I think any attempt to legislate morality would be an exercise in futility. It didn't work with alcohol prohibition, it's not working with drug prohibition, and gun control laws do nothing to keep guns out of criminal's hands (they only affect law abiding citizens). It must originate from the individual. The only way societal values will change is if it comes from a "grass roots" level. If you try to force it from the top down, it will just breed resistance. Look at the masses coming to Howard Stern's defense.


Rich
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