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Date: Monday, February 28, 2005
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My Comments Are:it is just not right,study the bible,you will find out how real it is!!!

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Name: brooke miller
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Date: Monday, February 07, 2005
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Name: JESSICA DECATA
email: decatajess@rainbow.edu.on.ca
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Date: Thursday, January 06, 2005
Time: 08:59:16 AM

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My Comments Are: Gay and lesbians should be allowed the right to get married. They can't change how they are so why not let them be happy,

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Name: loquita rolle
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Date: Thursday, November 25, 2004
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My Comments Are: i don't feel that they are suppose to but i do feel that they should have the same rights as everyone else. so if they feel that they want to get married then they should have the right to get married and get the exact same benifits as everyone else does.

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Name: Dianah Butler
email: Dianah727@aol.com
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Date: Tuesday, August 03, 2004
Time: 07:47:25 AM

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Dear Dianah,

Thanks for the vote.

Karl Loren

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Dear No Name,

I find only "certain types" of people commonly are afraid to leave their name on votes like this.

Karl Loren

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Date: Monday, August 02, 2004
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Dear No Name,

I find only "certain types" of people commonly are afraid to leave their name on votes like this.

Karl Loren

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Name: Ken
email: Ken.Banwart@countrymaid.net
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Date: Monday, August 02, 2004
Time: 07:12:29 AM

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My Comments Are:

Same sex relationships is Biblically wrong, married or not.

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Dear Ken,

Thanks for your vote and comment.

Karl Loren

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Date: Monday, August 02, 2004
Time: 01:29:57 AM

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Dear No Name,

I find only "certain types" of people commonly are afraid to leave their name on votes like this.

Karl Loren

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Name: Louie Boland
email: louie@ontarioeast.net
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Date: Monday, July 05, 2004
Time: 12:20:51 PM

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My Comments Are: They can live "common law" but NOT be married per say.!

I consider same sex unions to be immoral; and should not be encouraged.

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Dear Louie,

Thanks for your vote and comment.

Karl Loren

 

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Name: Kathy O.
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Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004
Time: 07:48:00 PM

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I believe in traditional marriage. Partnerships with some legal rights are okay with me.

The push for marriage seems like a push for acceptance. Gay couples can name their partners as beneficiaries, give them power of attorney when incapacitated, etc.

They can vote. Health insurance is a problem for them, but many Americans don't have health insurance. That is not a problem of marriage or partnership but of government.

As for gay unions, that's their business, not mine.

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Dear Kathy,

Thanks for your vote and comment.

Karl Loren

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Date: Sunday, June 27, 2004
Time: 10:38:17 PM

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Dear No Name,

I find only "certain types" of people commonly are afraid to leave their name on votes like this.

Karl Loren

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Name: Vincent Lowe
email: vjlowe@paradise.net.nz
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Date: Saturday, June 26, 2004
Time: 11:33:17 PM

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Dear Vincent,

Thanks for your vote.

Karl Loren

 

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Name: John Thompson
email: johnt6020@aol.com
Vote: I would rather comment than vote.
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Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004
Time: 07:19:50 PM

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Same sex marriage is not a legal or moral issue. Homosexuality is a biological problem and represents a dysfunction or disease.

Whether it arises out of nature or nurture has not been clearly shown. At any rate there has to be a defect in the DNA that prevents the individual from developing in the normal manner.

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Dear John,

I personally suspect that experience and relationships have more to do with homosexuality than DNA, but in any event it is certainly not in the main stream of behavior.

Karl

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Name: Stephen McKerrell
email: sdmck1@optusnet.com.au
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
Time: 10:53:21 PM

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Dear Stephen,

I'm not surprised at your vote, but I kinda'  figured you would add more in the way of comments?

Karl

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Name: Mark Dessert
email: mdessert@
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
Time: 07:25:06 PM

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Dear Karl, I was hesitant to include my email address, as I don't think that much can be gained in a small milieu as this. I certainly do not wish to become a target of someone's hate if they read my email and disagree with me.

But I trust you to be a kind and caring individual, so I trust you with my contact information.

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Karl:  I've deleted most of it.

But please do not share it widely, as I do not wish to receive tons of hate mail. Being gay, bisexual or heterosexual is not a matter of morals. People are either born with a primarily heterosexual orientation or a primarily homosexual orientation, or somewhere in between those two extremes, or with some other sexual orientation.

In my Human Sexuality course, my professor told me about a Catholic nun who took the course previously. She did so because she suffered extreme guilt, because she experienced significant sexual arousal each time she prayed to God.

The more she prayed, the more she became sexually aroused, the more she felt guilty for possibly "sinning." During the course (undergrad college level) she discovered that her primary sexual orientation was for God and it was normal and natural for her to become sexually aroused when communing with God in prayer.

It was not a choice she was making to become sexually aroused, she simply was that way because she was born that way. That is the one thing about sexual orientation (I am heterosexual, for the record), no one chooses their sexual orientation.

They become aware of it as they pass through puberty. Just as I became aware of my sexual attraction to members of the opposite sex and cannot understand how a man can be sexually attracted to another man, likewise a gay man or a Lesbian woman becomes aware that they are attracted to members of their same sex as they pass through puberty and they cannot fathom how any man or woman could be attracted to the opposite sex.

There is nothing amoral or immoral about being gay, Lesbian or bisexual or any other sexual orientation. There is no choice being made. These individuals are simply unfortunate in that they are a minority in a very intolerant, xenophobic world.

It is the intolerance of the greater majority that suffers moral decline. Think about it for a moment . . . why in God's green earth would any child during puberty "choose" to be gay or Lesbian in this intolerant world? They would not and they do not.

Sexual orientation is not a moral issue.

Sincerely, Mark Dessert

Thanks, Mark, for an impassioned and fine comment.

Karl Loren

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Name: bryan dutra
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
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Name: Louis L. Raef
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
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Name: Bob Yandow
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
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Name: Timothy D. Fulton
email: TIM-FULTON@MSN.COM
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
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Name: Henry Rucker
email: t1pri2000@yahoo.com
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
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After looking at the results of the voting I desire to add my two cents.

Here in America the decline of Morals had been progressively declining since the 60's when there was free love and no one cared who they slept with and meaningful relationships were far apart and few between.

We as a nation were at war. Women wanted to be liberated. There were a lot of issues going on then that directly affected our lives today.

However we did not have AIDS and diseases like Herpes and Syphilis were not spreading like wild fire so at the time it seemed OK. AIDS was a Government experiment that backfired but that is another story. I don't care if Gays want to live together and if they want to have relationships and if they want to get married that is OK to since marriage is a legal process and no longer a moral process as is reflected by the more than 50% divorce rate in our great nation.

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The people that we have learned to look up to such as politicians and movie stars and the like make it seem like it is OK to do this so we follow their examples. To anyone that does believe in God and has read the Bible will know that God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. He also said that a Man shall leave his Mother and Father and find a wife and spend his life dedicated to her.

He did not say that they would stay together until they get tired of each other or until there was difficulties in their life and then give them a paper that says they are released from the marriage like it never happened, thus marriage has become a legal process.

Marriage vows say for better or for worse, for richer and for poorer until death do we part. With this in mind it is no wonder that the diseases of today are spreading like wild fire and they will continue to get worse as we move to allow gays to marry each other and have families which is biologically impossible.

Be it a medical condition or a choice a male child raised in a home with two males married as mother and father is much more likely to become gay as they become and adult because they are raised in and environment where they are taught that it is normal and it is NOT!

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We are a product of our environment in which we are raised. It is my opinion as a God fearing married man with a wife and 2 children that it is wrong for 2 men or 2 women to be involved in a relationship of any type much less get married because marriage was originally a moral process that was directed by God and any deviation from that guidance that was handed down by God will be punished by God when judgement day comes where we will all answer for our lives and if that is their choice they will have to answer for it and I won't because I will be faithful to my female wife and we have been married for 20 years and I look forward to 20 more years.

We have raised 2 children and our son has just graduated highschool and is going to college and has a girlfriend.

Our daughter is starting highschool and she is just discovering boys and they both have the support of myself and their mother and we love them with all of our hearts.

So let the gays do what they want as long as they don't try to force their lifestyle on me or my family they will be fine but if they do I will respond and I won't be very nice about it. Having spent 12 years supporting and defending our Constitution in the U.S. Army I feel it is my right to do so.

Dear Henry,

Well said.

Let me ask you this.  You say you don't want Gays forcing their life style on your children -- how about gays simply conducting their life style, openly, not forcing anything.  Is going to entice some?  Your daughter?

How about "marriages" where the ceremony doesn't mention God?  Civil Ceremonies?  How about non-Christians?  Do they have to accept the Christian Moral Code?

Karl

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Name: terry white
email: lightcondor@aol.com
Vote: Gays have just as much right to marry as anyone else
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
Time: 01:31:53 AM

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Thanks, Terry, for your vote.

Karl

 

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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004
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Name: TA Weaver
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Date: Thursday, June 17, 2004
Time: 05:48:16 PM

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Equal rights for all Americans is my position.

If we are to exclude committed loving relationships, then this would bar heterosexuals who do not have children.

Dear TW,

An interesting point.

Thanks.

Karl Loren

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Name: Bob Kuhner
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Date: Thursday, June 17, 2004
Time: 11:16:22 AM

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The problem of marriage in the U.S.A. is not gay marriage, but easy divorce.

The consequences of divorce on us and our children are horrific. We suffer from our huge divorce rate individually, socially, and economically. That two people, of whatever gender, should wish to commit themselves to each other for life is not a problem, but should be applauded.

Let's pray that gay marriages last longer than so many "traditional" marriages have. Heck, let's pray for them all.

Dear Bob,

Good comments.

thanks,

Karl

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Date: Monday, June 14, 2004
Time: 05:29:31 PM

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Name: Jerry
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Date: Monday, June 14, 2004
Time: 08:44:54 AM

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Name: Jennifer
email: jme@gate.net
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Date: Monday, June 14, 2004
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I believe that anything that is made taboo will be sought after.

There is also the issue of tax benefits given to married people that are denied to same sex couples.

If we truly had a separation of church and state this would not be an issue.

I can also understand that some people are uncomfortable with the idea of gays being married in the church. What I think is that we need a different type of service for gays.

Perhaps some sort of civil service that would unite them as a couple so that they would be able to enjoy the same privilege of being able to visit their loved one in the hospital and be recognized as a family member.

Dear Jennifer,

Very insightful comments.

I like what you have to say.

If you accept the logic of the assumption and grammar of this question, what do you think the answer is?  "Souls do not have sex.  Sexual matters are only related to human bodies, not souls.  True love is between souls, not bodies, and since sex does not play any part of the existence of the soul, can we not acknowledge this and accept any loving relationship between souls, regardless of what body they may be wearing?"

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What would you think of eliminating tax benefits for married people (and gay couples)?

This speaks to the issue of whether or not the tax laws should be designed to influence cultural issues, or even religious issues.

I would look for ALL areas of illogic in our society.

Karl Loren

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Date: Monday, June 14, 2004
Time: 07:07:59 AM

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Name: Amy Holmes
email: paint_the_town_black@hotmail.com
Vote: Gays have just as much right to marry as anyone else
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Date: Saturday, June 12, 2004
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Actually my e-mail address is real.

Maybe you didn't type it in right.

Try flying_in_a_fishbowl@hotmail.com, but paint_the_town_black@hotmail.com should be working. How do you think I found out about this website? I have a Wednesday subscription.

I simply went to the link that you or your staff has provided me with.

I am not hiding, but thank you for your honesty.

In response to your reply: I don't think anyone should act promiscuous, whether they are hetero or homosexual. Nobody should cheat on their significant other. That alone is immoral. I think that one should be very careful when it comes to sex as well.

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We are living in the AIDS epidemic. And believe it or not, more straight people unfortunately have HIV (the AIDS virus) because there are more straight people on earth than there are homosexuals.

Let's remember that HIV commenced in South Africa and it derived from humans consuming animals to survive, (monkey I believe) that had SIV (simian-immunodeficiency virus). Because of this epidemic, no person should be promiscuous. I believe that children should have role models as well.

After all, children are the future. There are so many children growing up in a hatefilled world and with parents who cannot supply them with the love and discipline they should have. A homosexual couple can very well take care of children that a heterosexual couple can.

Don't forget that any couple adopting children have to be screened many times before they are allowed to take care of that child. Any couple who adopt children are probably the best because they must be screened and because those are the parents who actually sit down to think of bringing a child into their lives.

Furthermore, homosexual couples should be allowed to marry because it would be easier for them to share such things like benefits - and if they do have children, that child should be allowed to have parents who are married to each other and not worry about silly government policies.

Think about the children in that sense. Also, marriage is traditionally religious. What if a gay couple is religious? That couple is being held back from getting married under a religion that they have supported.

Down the road though, marriage has become something even more than just a religious tradition. It is a union between two people who profoundly love each other and want to be together. Now, couples can get married before a judge if they want. If a gay couple has those strong feelings towards each other and want to stay together, then they should be given the right to marry. Yours truly, Amy Leigh Holmes

Dear Any,

Very Well Done!

I appreciate your further responding and like what you wrote.

Karl

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Name: Don Sinsel
email: Don-MM-2148@webtv.net
Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Saturday, June 12, 2004
Time: 08:32:23 AM

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Being a homosexual is not a choice. It is something that happens by birth, but we still have the choice to give into this or be a man or a woman.

I believe marriage is for man and woman and to protect the families produced by them.

A family is not a Male and Male or Female & Female. It would be terrible to have a man and a man for parents. What would the child go through just from other children.

Dear Don,

Thanks for your comment and vote.

Karl Loren

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Date: Friday, June 11, 2004
Time: 10:27:44 PM

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Marriage has gone beyond religious beliefs.

Without marriage, two loving couples may not become legally bound to one another.

Marriage was a religious tradition. But humanity has seen past the blindness of the intolerance of the Bible, and has focused on the truth of humanity's equals.

 Homosexuals require Gay marriage because it is necessary for a two loving people to become legally bound.

As North American's, let's try and pretend to catch up with our tolerant European countries. It is about time we give every equal in our societies the true equality they deserve.

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Dear No Name,

Again, I find it strange that people who seem to favor gay marriage seem, also, to be unwilling to even include a fictitious name.

There is not much logic in this message.

Karl Loren

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Name: Amy Holmes
email: paint_the_town_black@hotmail.com
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Date: Thursday, June 10, 2004
Time: 09:14:17 PM

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This statement: "Certainly it would be possible for a 'gay couple' to adopt, or otherwise 'acquire' a child to be raised to adulthood, but if 'gay marriage' were accepted as the 'norm' there would be no children to adopt, and the demise of the race."

(Contrasting View on Gay Marriage) is an inaccurate and extreme view on gay marriage.

It is not understood why one would think that the entire race would all of the sudden "become gay" if gay marriage were to be legalized. Possibly those individuals who fear the end of the human race are those who are in fear of their own sexuality.

If those individuals were not gay now, what would make them think that they would be gay in the future, considering those are the ones who would be living in the future of legalized gay marriage?

Taking a look at the world around us, it would be more believable is one stated that we would die because of the increasing growth of the human population. And even if the entire world were somehow gay, there would still be the technology for artificial insemination for those who wished to procreate.

Furthermore, the basis for the argument opposing gay marriage is very religiously biased. Many try to use the "Holy Bible" to shield their homophobic views, even though it was written thousands of years ago, and the scripture has been tampered with ever since.

One should not rely on an unreliable source as such, but rather bring up points that come from within. The existence of God is unknown; therefore "God" should not be used to back up anti-gay ideals.

The moral morass of society is not composed of the gay community, but it composed of ignorant individuals.

These individuals may be straight, gay, Catholic, Atheist, age 16, age 57, etc. Those who refuse progress in a society that needs civil rights are those who contribute to moral morass.

The legalization of gay marriage is another step that needs to be taken in order to act as a civil society. Gay people will not go away, and they will strive to be heard. It may be hard to believe for some, but gay people did not just spring up in the middle of the night to cause moral morass. They have been around for years.

For example, in 1945, almost 11-12 million people died under Nazi Germany in the concentration camps. Approximately 6 million were Jews, while the other half consisted of Jehovah Witnesses, political prisoners, gypsies, the disabled, and homosexuals.

Cultural anthropologists have studied that gay life has been noted back centuries ago, all around the world including, Mexico, Africa, Asia, North America etc. Also, a large number of animals have been studied to take part in gay activities, such as elephants, penguins, rams, and of course apes!

Even though they are a minority, it seems like gays will remain on earth and will not be forgotten. Any gay couple, as any straight couple, should be able to have the right to marry. The existence of these individuals will not disintegrate.

Homosexuality may be a minority on planet earth, but it is clearly natural. If it is natural, then it is therefore not wrong.

In conclusion, no more time and money should be wasted on political decision-making, and the law should be finally passed.

Dear Amy,

Thanks for the vote and comment.

I, personally, find your message logical and useful.

The moral code I espouse includes no condemnation of homosexuality, but it also has no mention of "marriage."

The moral code which I would recommend to you has a condemnation of "promiscuity" and "not being faithful to your sexual partner."

I suspect most gays would agree with these concepts?

Do you?

The only area where I still have a problem is in the "role model" area.  I think each person should serve as a "role model" to others, particularly to children.

Promiscuity offers a terrible role model, whether it is the behavior of gays or straights.

I suspect that straights hide their promiscuity more than gays do?  I'm not a student of such things.

I would agree with you that "hiding your sexuality" is not as healthy as "living it openly."

Society suffers from hiding any of its behavior and "sex" happens to be an area of many hidden activities.

Further comments, Amy?

Karl Loren

PS.  Wouldn't you know it!!  Amy's eMail address was a fake -- so we score another mark of those who favor Gay Marriage seem to be unwilling to be identified.

I was wrong -- she responded and her eMail seems fine.

Hiding?

KL

 

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Dear No Name,

Is it my imagination or is my observation accurate -- there are people who visit here and vote -- some vote one way, some another. But, it seems to me that MOST of those who do not include any name or eMail for themselves are also the ones who mostly favor gay marriage.

Whereas, those who oppose gay marriage seem to vote, mostly, on the side of that being a sign of moral decay -- these are the voters who include their name and eMail address?

From this very limited sample one might conclude that those in favor of gay marriage are less willing to reveal their names??

Will my comments, here/this, make some who favor gay marriage less willing to vote?

That could be, but then I encourage anyone to be willing to be known for the moral positions you stand for -- and I am willing, but do not demand, that you include your name and address with your vote!

Karl

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Name: Dean/Sandy Curtis
email: largo@emerytelcom.net
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Date: Thursday, June 10, 2004
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Dear Sandy,

Thanks for voting.

Any more comments you could give us?

Karl Loren

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Name: Annette Robinson
email: itconnection@rasearch.net
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Time: 07:46:34 AM

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I do not believe that gay's should have the same rights as a man and woman in marriage.

They have the right to live together and they also have the right to adopt a living together union if they wish, however we should not change the marriage laws to include same sex marriage.

Call it something else, adopt something else, but it should not be called marriage as we see it and have seen it for hundreds of years.

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Dear Annette,

Thanks for voting.

I agree with you.

Karl Loren

 

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Politically, this is a "separation" issue in my opinion.

Early American government found the the RELIGIOUS ritual of marriage so desirable for society that government made accommodations to encourage it.

Government eventually turned it into a source of revenue with licenses and tax policies. Now government thinks it OWNS the concept of marriage and can change it's definition to suit its own political whims (The gays are a very powerful political group).

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I suspect that [what] the rights gays seek could be written into law without bastardizing a well-establish religious institution.

Morally, The entire gay movement is founded on lies and twisted junk science. I am thinking of the "twin studies". The fact that only half of the twins had the same orientation proved that genetics were not a factor.

For that to be true, all of the twins would have had to be oriented identically. Yet the conclusion was twisted into, "50% is a lot so it proves something"--that genetics is 50% involved in orientation???? Their logic makes my head hurt. How can any movement that is based on such deception be moral?

Dear No Name,

I like your comments -- wish you had included a name, even an address?

Karl

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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
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Name: Lynn Mendez
email: lynnmendez@yahoo.com
Vote: Gays have just as might to marry as anyone else
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 12:53:08 PM

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It's not even reasonable to say that making gay marriage the norm would cause the demise of the race.

Just because homosexuals would be able to marry doesn't mean that millions more people would become 'gay' and stop procreating.

That is ridiculous. There will still be plenty of unwed mothers having children and single family homes and such. It makes no difference to that matter.

Being gay is not a choice. It is something that happens by birth, in my opinion, and as such isn't 'wrong'.

There are much bigger issues happening in our world today to have people be so much against gay rights.

Let people be people and spend that energy feeding hungry children, educating children, curbing drug use, stopping murder, and the list goes on with issued that are SO MUCH more important.

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Dear Lynn,

Thank you for taking the time to vote -- particularly when you may have noticed that not many other voters had your opinion on this matter.

I do disagree with you on a couple issues, but I do not feel any compulsion to argue or change your mind.

I certainly do agree with you that there are many issues in our society that are more important than this one -- and you mention some of them.

Gays and "Straights" could effectively work together on some of the issues you mention, and more.

Do vote on some of the other issues on this web site.

Karl Loren

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Dear Paul,

Thanks for your comment.

You may well be right on this.

I agree with your opinion that it is the behavior, not the thought, that counts as a moral issue.

Karl

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Name: Stephen E Jeffrey
email: stephen.e.jeffrey@us.army.mil
Vote: I would rather comment than vote.
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 09:07:59 AM

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The Bible, God's Holy Word, clearly states in the 1st chapter of the book of Roman's that "gays" are wrong. It makes no difference what you or I think. What matters is what God says. I still love them because they are God's creation, but I don not love what they do.

Dear Stephen,

You've made an important distinction here, I think.  I believe it is the behavior that should be judged by a moral code -- not the thinking.

"What they do" is a bit vague, as you use the term, I suggest.

Whether it is true or not, many people think that "gays" are promiscuous.  I judge promiscuity as immoral, as I also judge being unfaithful to your sexual partner as immoral.  I consider these as immoral acts and behavior because these lead to destruction of the family, and prospective destruction of the race.

If a large percentage of homosexuals engage in promiscuity, or being unfaithful to another person, then that behavior is immoral.

If a man "loves" a man, or a "woman" loves a woman, and there is neither promiscuity or unfaithfulness, then I would not judge that as an immoral "love" because there is no immoral behavior.

You said it.  You love all.  So, it should be OK with you for a man to love a man?

But, do not love immoral behavior, I say.

What do you think?

Karl Loren

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Name: Dennis Meredith
email: denny195@bellsouth.net
Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 09:01:25 AM

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Dear Dennis,

Thanks for the vote.

Any comment you'd be willing to add?

Karl

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Vote: Gays have just as might to mary as anyone else
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 08:36:02 AM

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Dear No Name,

I consider it NOT OK to enter an opinion without a name.

I will allow this to remain, but if there are "too many" such, I will start deleting them.

I do not consider that you must include a real eMail address.

Karl

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Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 08:08:51 AM

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Dear No Name,

I consider it NOT OK to enter an opinion without a name.

I will allow this to remain, but if there are "too many" such, I will start deleting them.

I do not consider that you must include a real eMail address.

No name CAN also be a sign of one person casting multiple votes, trying to make something look more important than is true.

Karl

 

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Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 08:04:59 AM

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Dear No Name,

Not OK.

Karl

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Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 07:47:09 AM

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Dear No Name,

Not OK.

Karl

 

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Name: Ken Banwart
email: Ken.Banwart@CountryMaid.net
Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 06:51:39 AM

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Dear Ken,

Thanks for the vote, and including your address.

Any further comments?

Karl

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Name: Carrie Taranova
email: carriet@gte.net
Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 04:17:30 AM

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I am fighting against the use of the word 'gay' in reference to homosexuals as if THEY have the right to use a public word that belongs to all of us and has nothing to do with being homosexual !

Homo's have no right to steal OUR words and change OUR dictionary to suit themselves !

They have a Homo TV show called Queer Eye For The Straight Guy. They use the word 'queer' and this suits them. They do not need to take another one of OUR words to mean THEM !

"Gay" means joyous, happy, feeling great. It is also a girl's name. It has nothing to do with being a Homo ! So I have been on a campaign to stop the use of the word "gay" in any reference to queers.

It's "Homo-marriage" or Queer marriage, NOT 'gay' marriage or gay anything else to do with Homo's.

So let's join in this attack on OUR dictionary. Homo's are trying to take it over like they want to do with everything else ! I have written to all the media and demanded this; it would be good for others to do likewise, before the Homo's own the entire dictionary and change all our language to suit themselves ! Clinton began to do this same thing ! We cannot allow this to happen !

Dear Carrie,

I truly appreciate an impassioned message left here.

This is an interesting forum -- and I consider my web "successful" if I can get "both sides" to post on these issues.

Let me offer you this.  "Niger" used to be a regular word, perhaps a slang expression, used to describe the slaves in our history.  Slavery was not "wrong" as far as perhaps the majority of people were concerned.  So, back then, "niger" did not carry an emotional load with it, but it certainly did refer to a "condition"  (slavery) which we now condem.

But, as history marches on, people's values change -- you've put your finger on one of the ways values are changed -- by changing the words or the definitions of words.

So, "niger" is not a word you can even use in public anymore -- yet it is but a word.

Whether it is "Niger" or "niger" it is but a word -- but that word now carries enormous emotional impact.

So, "polite people" are polite and don't use these emotionally-loaded words.

"Queer" is certainly an emotionally-loaded word.  Probably "homo" is another word that has had its meaning changed -- it simply means "man" in its basic sense, but now it carries very negative meanings.

"Gay" has importance to you, obviously.

Is it fair for you to use "homo" or "queer" and object to others using "gay?"

Karl

 

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Name: Edward S. Boyd
email: esboyd14@msn.com
Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 02:30:44 AM

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I believe marriage is for man and wife and to protect the families produced by them.

Not for Male and Male or Female & Female.

I see nothing "Gay" about these people.

Dear Edward,

Thanks for the vote and comment.

I tend to agree. The word "marriage" has had a meaning, a definition, for thousands of years.

It is OK with me if two men "form a partnership" or two women, or 15 people.  "Partnership" is a neutral term.  You can certainly also say that a "marriage" is a partnership.  But "marriage" is a word with much more special meaning that "partnership."

If two men form a partnership, and within that "partnership" have a sexual relationship that is not pushed in my face, I don't guess I'd even know about the behavior.

Is it not BEHAVIOR that we find worthy of moral judgment, not thoughts.

And, the word "marriage" implies a relationship much more than the word "partnership" so I agree with you that "marriage" is a word that should be reserved for the type of "partnership" where a man and a woman join for the general purposes of sex, children, the future of the race.

You think this too?

Karl
 

 

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Name: Keith Robinson
email: roboken40@ntlworld.com
Vote: Gays have just as might to mary as anyojne else
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 12:53:22 AM

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My Comments Are: Time to stop the abuse of Gay people, enough damage has been done already!

Dear Keith,

Thanks for the vote.

Where do you see the "abuse?"

Is it related to the behavior?  or the "beingness" of homosexuals?

Karl

 

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Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 12:20:52 AM

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Dear No Name,

Not OK.

Karl

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Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004
Time: 12:18:53 AM

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Dear No Name,

Not OK.

Karl

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Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004
Time: 09:02:51 PM

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Dear No Name,

Not OK.

Karl

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Name: Alan Bailey
email: aacbailey51@comcast.net
Vote: Gay marriage contributes to the moral decline in society
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Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004
Time: 09:00:35 PM

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Dear Alan,

Thanks for your vote.

I'd sure like to see your further comments?

Karl

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Name: Karl Loren
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Vote: I would rather comment than vote.
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Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2004
Time: 05:30:05 PM

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